Watching what is happening in Palestine, I wonder if the so-called Israeli settlers have any idea what they are doing by displacing the indigenous and settling on top of their dead bodies and destroyed homes. Everything is energy. They too will be haunted. I wonder if that may have something to do with how deranged they behave.
"America Is A Haunted House" I got this quote while listening to James Evans Pallato, on his Media Monarchy radio program, but I don't think he realized what else he was saying. He just said it was a haunted house, I added the part about the ancestors. I always think about that.
Ironically, these folks have towns rivers and streams that carry the names of these Indigenous people and they have no clue, the average people that is, that each time they say these names they are calling them. Phoebe Snow sang a song called Ancient Places, Sacred lands (names we know so well, yet no one understand)
For me those in the next dimension, (chose your own title) have bigger things to attend to than noticing every time someone calls their name. I regularly ask them for help.
I was typing out my post when yours popped up. Did you read the Celestine Prophecies series?
No such thing as a coincidence, was one of their messages. Fun books.
It seems we may both suffer from not enough face to face time with others, a common malady these days. Wish you were here to share the coffee and argue with.
Yes Frank, I did read the Celestine Prophecies. It would be great to have a face to face. Where do you live? Maybe we should try it. And yes, there is no coincidence, all is in Divine Order, whether we like it or not!!! 😂😎😎
And if you are regularly asking those folks in the other dimension, do they respond by telling you they have bigger fish to fry. Frank?
I agree with you and Nana Baakan about not having enough Soul nourishing talks in this present day and age which we sorely need especially between ones of our ilk. It's therapy for the Soul I believe and we need way more of it than we are currently getting
And coincidentally, Gypsy33 and I were just talking the other day about planning a meet up in a neutral country like Ireland (subject to change if others can come up with a better spot) amongst Deep Substackers community.
Depending on the success of the first meet up, we could turn it into an Annual Tradition and even include weekly or monthly online video meetings so we can have those Deep talks we truly need
I spend a good bit of time trying to get folks to question all the crazy narratives. According to Mattias Desmet only about 10 % of humanity think for themselves. Unfortunately for us to get together and work is an uphill battle as our independence also makes us disagreeable. Perhaps I should only speak for myself in this regard. Am planning a long road trip to the US from Canada this summer. Born in WA grew up in OH. favorite places found in NC, a quadriplegic brother still in Charlotte.
Currently suffering through a long winter in the NWT Canada. North of 60. Our days have warmed up a lot this week, it's -15c. Such a relief after -35c. A fun spot as that is where c & f cross. It's much more difficult as am without a dog for the 1st time in a long time.
Can do zoom if y'all can tolerate a strange old white guy who didn't have a best man at his wedding, but a dear black friend named Cornelia Leavitt. I do miss all the black friends of my youth but we are getting more and more immigrants way up here. We even have a Jamaican restaurant which is something, as there are only about 5 to start with here. Town of less than 3000. 3 hour drive to next bigger town.
Small towns are my favorite. I lived in Philadelphia most of my life. I'm in NJ now. When I go to Philly I experience culture shock. It's nice to have access to so much there, but it's too crowded for my spirit.
Our community is colour blind so your race doesn't matter at all but the content of your consciousness and your mind and I'd say you will fit right in from the way you've spoken thus far
And like I said earlier, it's still all in the development phases but when/if the zoom meetings start off, I'll update both you and Nana as everyone is welcome as long as one can 'think for themselves' as you say
Sorry about your loss of dog as I'm also a huge dog person and being without one can be a huge loss I know. Wish you all the best in your current and future endeavors
This is a Powerful Article and a must read for Americans especially and every human being on this planet besides... Unfortunately, we know they would never want to read something as Deep as this cuz the cognitive dissonance they will suffer will be such that can split their little heads in two 😅
And speaking of taking responsibility for those who came before us and acknowledging all they went through so they can finally have peace, I've done that for my family (both sides) plus my in-laws to come and my country as well and taking responsibility for the last two were some of the Most Powerful Spiritual Experiences I've ever gone through not will any Being on this Cosmos cuz the blood and evil and darkness I had to wade through was so ginormous, I don't know how the fuck I suffered it at all I tell ya (My Higher Self Shango really came in clutch at times)
So now I'm just chilling and hoping I don't have to fight any more battles again Spiritually for the foreseeable future but I'm always ready in case I do. World of Spirit and Man, give me your best shot any day and time. I'm always ready.
You failed to mention Gaza. It brings me to despair to think the Billions of innocents must roam the world of Hollywood horror shows because there is no God to give them justice and peace.
Have given some thought to ex combat soldier suicide rates. People will do in a Mass Formation things they would not on their own. Is it possible they cannot live with their conscious?
So the evil ones can enjoy the thought that those they victimized will lurk in a haunted house for eternity? Sorry Nana if that was true there would be no peaceful spot anywhere on this globe.
I posted a while back about turning Gaza into a vacation destination. Do people go to Auschwitz to feel light and happy? I do believe in haunting. It seems possible Hollywood could have the details wrong.
"Sorry Nana if that was true there would be no peaceful spot anywhere on this globe." I would wager that there may be some, somewhere where the ravishes of colonialism has not reeled it's ugly head. But we better hurry and find it, because globalism is moving fast into some of the most far away undiscovered lands and their resources, BTW.
Usually my writing can be understood in different ways. If all those who have died in a rough manner were roaming the world haunting us, there would be no spot we humans could relax, is another way.
I live in a very remote place. The aboriginals here wander off when they get too old. No one finds them.
Some of the more scenic places, where they do ceremonies, to my great pleasure , seem absolutely crowded with the spirits of the ancestors. It is a joyous happy vibe, very encouraging. Well my take anyway. Quite something as they have not been spared any ravages here.
Must apologize going through some tragedy and not feeling too sparky of late. I always try to respond to comments, but I'm done here.
The energy fades over time, I believe, and the souls become ready for their reincarnation.
Cultures that emphasise reincarnation prepare their members for the joy of meeting Death (The great Pain-Ender), although the rage of being murdered can easily form the psychic shell that becomes the ghost. I am no expert whatsoever, these are only my own thought due to experiences.
But eventually, even rage, and the desire for revenge, fade over time. And then we/they move on, if we were trapped here by them. Along with the other, more positive emotions, such as concern for those we love.
I don't think you're too far off the mark, Gnuneo. There is a huge importance among certain cultures when it comes to preparing its members for transition into the other realms after they die. My experiences can affirm that if they are not properly prepared it can be very difficult for the Soul and the Spirit to make the transition.
Any form of tragic death can cause the Spirit to be trapped between worlds and the Soul may have difficulty reincarnating. Two movies come to mind, "Ghost" and "What Dreams May Come".
Tragic deaths create dis-embodied spirits. These spirits lurk in dark places, abandoned buildings, graveyards, bars, tunnels, forests, etc. In some cases, buildings have been erected over (mass) graves, like what they want to do in Gaza. Not a good idea. Since the death of the individual was traumatic, their spirit will roam and in some even cause problems for the living like in the movie "Poltergeist".
In the African traditions that I am familiar with, there is a ceremony that takes place for the deceased to prepare their soul for the transition. This keeps the number of dis-embodied spirits down to a minimum. However, war, murder, tragic accidents, etc. often times does not allow for this. Folks' bodies thrown in mass graves, left to decompose, etc. will cause a restlessness in the spirit realms that may be experienced by the living. I CAN SURELY TELL YOU THAT!
That was the subtle message I was attempting to convey in my article.
You stated: "But eventually, even rage, and the desire for revenge, fade over time.'
My experiences have shown me that if they fade, it is because the living have done some spiritual work to help the restless spirit to accept its fate and move on. The living have a huge part to play in this. If it is not done, then the spirit will remain restless for years, even centuries, and the Soul will carry the memory of that tragedy when it re-incarnates.
I speak of atonement often on a global scale. I don't think people realize the disturbances that the ravages of war cause, but I do think the Men Behind the Curtain, who run this world do. I also think that is why they keep the disturbance on the spiritual level going. They know what they are doing.
Not sure what it takes to attain expert status on this topic. Haunting. After the last 5 years it seems that, without fail, we all have lots to learn.
One possibility that struck, maybe it is the perpetrators or their collective predecessors who are assigned to haunt the scene as atonement for their mistakes.
The Bahai tradition insists there is no hell, but different powers according to how you acted in your earthly life. I may have it wrong.
It does seem death or the next assignment, to quote my father, has us busily working at something. I have never been a fan of the devil made me do it excuse or I was just following orders either.
Long story short, there is much to still unravel, I hope for a few more years and more clarity on so many topics.
The "Devil" afaik came from the French version of 'The Evil' (ergo, 'D' evil'), and is usually synonymous with "Satan", for most Xians.
I don't personally believe in a "hell", except in so far as it pertains to our behaviour and interactions in this realm of life. Heaven is being surrounded by loving and supportive people, and being at peace, so 'hell' would be heading in the opposite direction.
That was fun. I always say, if "God" is the creator of everything than that would mean "God" created everything and that would include the so-called "devil" or evil. It's simply polarities which is pretty much what this realm is made of.
The Tao is the middle, the way, the balance, no extremes.
In the Ra Material it speaks of distortions. I prefer that term. A distortion to any extreme is out of balance.
In African traditions that I am aware of, there is no "devil" just one who challenges, questions, tests, tempts, etc.
Whatever the case may be, you can't have one without the other. To know the light you must know the dark, and vice versa. Institutionalized religions tend to be based on fear. Why would you fear a "God" who's without blemish? Ironically, the "God" of the bible was responsible for more deaths than the "devil" ever was. I mean, he wiped out nations, saved a select few and sets of 2 animals, to start a New World Order. LOL
Interesting point about Zoroaster. It answered a question I had about how the earlier Israelites came to monotheism.
This whole one "God" phenomenon seems to be more of a hedge to creating supremacy of one religion over another.
Heaven and Hell are a state of being, a state of mind. Neither are a place you go to after death, in my view.
I have been to Auschwitz. The ghosts are real. I did not expect it at all, but I broke down. The sheer scale of the horror there has left its mark. I went in '91, on a college exchange trip. It might have changed, 30 years later, but I doubt it. A formative experience for me.
I visited the "Door of No Return" at the Castle at Elmina in Ghana, West Africa. Indeed the Ghosts are real! And those ghosts (dis-embodied spirits) are roaming all over Palestine right now. In the religions of Islam, they believe that the "martyrs" will return in even greater numbers to avenge their death.
I often wonder if that is part of the reason that there is so much "unrest" there. No, I don't wonder, I am convinced. There is another movie/documentary called "Sankofa" that gives a depiction of what can happen to those who are sensitive when they visit there.
That's the thing about it, if you are sensitive to spiritual energies, you will feel it more so than those who are not. I am a medium. I have had numerous experiences.
Everyone I know who visited had the same reaction. Felt something similar in Gettysburg, Israel and Dealey Plaza. Other places as well. It does not make you want to replicate or celebrate what happened!
"After a while he says, “Do you believe in ghosts?”
”No,” I say
”Why not?”
”Because they are un-sci-en-ti-fic.”
The way I say this makes John smile. “They contain no matter,” I continue, “and have no energy and therefore, according to the laws of science, do not exist except in people's minds.”
The whiskey, the fatigue and the wind in the trees start mixing in my mind. “Of course,” I add, “the laws of science contain no matter and have no energy either and therefore do not exist except in people's minds. It's best to be completely scientific about the whole thing and refuse to believe in either ghosts or the laws of science. That way you're safe. That doesn't leave you very much to believe in, but that's scientific too.”
”I don't know what you're talking about,” Chris says.
”I'm being kind of facetious.”
Chris gets frustrated when I talk like this, but I don't think it hurts him.
”One of the kids at YMCA camp says he believes in ghosts.”
”He was just spoofing you.”
”No, he wasn't. He said that when people haven't been buried right, their ghosts come back to haunt people. He really believes in that.”
”He was just spoofing you,” I repeat.
”What's his name?” Sylvia says.
”Tom White Bear.”
John and I exchange looks, suddenly recognizing the same thing.
”Ohhh, Indian!” he says.
I laugh. “I guess I'm going to have to take that back a little,” I say. “I was thinking of European ghosts.”
”What's the difference?”
John roars with laughter. “He's got you,” he says.
I think a little and say, “Well, Indians sometimes have a different way of looking at things, which I'm not saying is completely wrong. Science isn't part of the Indian tradition.”
”Tom White Bear said his mother and dad told him not to believe all that stuff. But he said his grandmother whispered it was true anyway, so he believes it.”
He looks at me pleadingly. He really does want to know things sometimes. Being facetious is not being a very good father. “Sure,” I say, reversing myself, “I believe in ghosts too.”
Now John and Sylvia look at me peculiarly. I see I'm not going to get out of this one easily and brace myself for a long explanation.
”It's completely natural,” I say, “to think of Europeans who believed in ghosts or Indians who believed in ghosts as ignorant. The scientific point of view has wiped out every other view to a point where they all seem primitive, so that if a person today talks about ghosts or spirits he is considered ignorant or maybe nutty. It's just all but completely impossible to imagine a world where ghosts can actually exist.”
John nods affirmatively and I continue.
”My own opinion is that the intellect of modern man isn't that superior. IQs aren't that much different. Those Indians and medieval men were just as intelligent as we are, but the context in which they thought was completely different. Within that context of thought, ghosts and spirits are quite as real as atoms, particles, photons and quants are to a modern man. In that sense I believe in ghosts. Modern man has his ghosts and spirits too, you know.”
”What?”
”Oh, the laws of physics and of logic-the number system-the principle of algebraic substitution. These are ghosts. We just believe in them so thoroughly they seem real.
”They seem real to me,” John says.
”I don't get it,” says Chris.
So I go on. “For example, it seems completely natural to presume that gravitation and the law of gravitation existed before Isaac Newton. It would sound nutty to think that until the seventeenth century there was no gravity.”
”Of course.”
”So when did this law start? Has it always existed?”
John is frowning, wondering what I am getting at.
”What I'm driving at,” I say, “is the notion that before the beginning of the earth, before the sun and the stars were formed, before the primal generation of anything, the law of gravity existed.”
”Sure.”
”Sitting there, having no mass of its own, no energy of its own, not in anyone's mind because there wasn't anyone, not in space because there was no space either, not anywhere - this law of gravity still existed?”
Now John seems not so sure.
”If that law of gravity existed,” I say, “I honestly don't know what a thing has to do to be nonexistent. It seems to me that law of gravity has passed every test of nonexistence there is. You cannot think of a single attribute of nonexistence that that law of gravity didn't have. Or a single scientific attribute of existence it did have. And yet it is still 'common sense' to believe that it existed.”
John says, “I guess I'd have to think about it.”
”Well, I predict that if you think about it long enough you will find yourself going round and round and round and round until you finally reach only one possible, rational, intelligent conclusion. The law of gravity and gravity itself did not exist before Isaac Newton. No other conclusion makes sense.
”And what that means,” I say before he can interrupt, “and what that means is that that law of gravity exists nowhere except in people's heads! It's a ghost! We are all of us very arrogant and conceited about running down other people's ghosts but just as ignorant and barbaric and superstitious about our own.”
”Why does everybody believe in the law of gravity then?”
”Mass hypnosis. In a very orthodox form known as "education.”
”You mean the teacher is hypnotizing the kids into believing the law of gravity?”
”Sure.”
”That's absurd.”
”You've heard of the importance of eye contact in the classroom? Every educationist emphasizes it. No educationist explains it.”
John shakes his head and pours me another drink. He puts his hand over his mouth and in a mock aside says to Sylvia, “You know, most of the time he seems like such a normal guy.”
I counter, “That's the first normal thing I've said in weeks. The rest of the time I'm feigning twentieth century lunacy just like you are. So as not to draw attention to myself.
”But I'll repeat it for you,” I say. “We believe the disembodied words of Sir Isaac Newton were sitting in the middle of nowhere billions of years before he was born and that magically he discovered these words. They were always there, even when they applied to nothing. Gradually the world came into being and then they applied to it. In fact, those words themselves were what formed the world. That, John, is ridiculous.
”The problem, the contradiction the scientists are stuck with, is that of mind. Mind has no matter or energy but they can't escape its predominance over everything they do. Logic exists in the mind. Numbers exist only in the mind. I don't get upset when scientists say that ghosts exist in the mind. It's that only that gets me. Science is only in your mind too, it's just that that doesn't make it bad. Or ghosts either.”
They are just looking at me so I continue: “Laws of nature are human inventions, like ghosts. Laws of logic, of mathematics are also human inventions, like ghosts. The whole blessed thing is a human invention, including the idea that it isn't a human invention. The world has no existence whatsoever outside the human imagination. It's all a ghost, and in antiquity was so recognized as a ghost, the whole blessed world we live in. It's run by ghosts. We see what we see because these ghosts show it to us, ghosts of Moses and Christ and the Buddha, and Plato, and Descartes, and Rousseau and Jefferson and Lincoln, on and on and on. Isaac Newton is a very good ghost. One of the best. Your common sense is nothing more than the voices of thousands and thousands of these ghosts from the past. Ghosts and more ghosts. Ghosts trying to find their place among the living.”
John looks too much in thought to speak. But Sylvia is excited. “Where do you get all these ideas?” she asks.
I am about to answer them but then do not. I have a feeling of having already pushed it to the limit, maybe beyond, and it is time to drop it.
After a while John says, “It'll be good to see the mountains again.”
”Yes, it will,” I agree. “one last drink to that!”
We finish it and are off to our rooms."
From 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', by the peerless Robert Pirsig.
Pirsig only write two books, Zamm, the origin of the quote above, and Lila, the follow-up.
Zamm is a perfect book, no mistakes in it. Lila... has one severe flaw. But both are excellent and worth reading anyway.
Who is the Dreamer indeed. Or perhaps "Who ARE the Dreamers?" - I suspect even we 'individuals' are multiple consciousnesses, let alone moving up the scale.
Watching what is happening in Palestine, I wonder if the so-called Israeli settlers have any idea what they are doing by displacing the indigenous and settling on top of their dead bodies and destroyed homes. Everything is energy. They too will be haunted. I wonder if that may have something to do with how deranged they behave.
"America Is A Haunted House" I got this quote while listening to James Evans Pallato, on his Media Monarchy radio program, but I don't think he realized what else he was saying. He just said it was a haunted house, I added the part about the ancestors. I always think about that.
Ironically, these folks have towns rivers and streams that carry the names of these Indigenous people and they have no clue, the average people that is, that each time they say these names they are calling them. Phoebe Snow sang a song called Ancient Places, Sacred lands (names we know so well, yet no one understand)
#Chicago #Missippi #California #Arizona #Waupaca #Wayewiga #Kentucky #Miami
Just to name a few there are so many more.
For me those in the next dimension, (chose your own title) have bigger things to attend to than noticing every time someone calls their name. I regularly ask them for help.
I was typing out my post when yours popped up. Did you read the Celestine Prophecies series?
No such thing as a coincidence, was one of their messages. Fun books.
It seems we may both suffer from not enough face to face time with others, a common malady these days. Wish you were here to share the coffee and argue with.
We would find common ground.
Yes Frank, I did read the Celestine Prophecies. It would be great to have a face to face. Where do you live? Maybe we should try it. And yes, there is no coincidence, all is in Divine Order, whether we like it or not!!! 😂😎😎
And if you are regularly asking those folks in the other dimension, do they respond by telling you they have bigger fish to fry. Frank?
I agree with you and Nana Baakan about not having enough Soul nourishing talks in this present day and age which we sorely need especially between ones of our ilk. It's therapy for the Soul I believe and we need way more of it than we are currently getting
And coincidentally, Gypsy33 and I were just talking the other day about planning a meet up in a neutral country like Ireland (subject to change if others can come up with a better spot) amongst Deep Substackers community.
Depending on the success of the first meet up, we could turn it into an Annual Tradition and even include weekly or monthly online video meetings so we can have those Deep talks we truly need
You guys interested in this?
it's definitely something to consider. I live in the US so I would have to do it Via zoom.
No issues, thanks for your feedback. I'll let you know about the zoom meetings if there will be any as it's all in the development phases for now.
I'll keep you posted
I spend a good bit of time trying to get folks to question all the crazy narratives. According to Mattias Desmet only about 10 % of humanity think for themselves. Unfortunately for us to get together and work is an uphill battle as our independence also makes us disagreeable. Perhaps I should only speak for myself in this regard. Am planning a long road trip to the US from Canada this summer. Born in WA grew up in OH. favorite places found in NC, a quadriplegic brother still in Charlotte.
Currently suffering through a long winter in the NWT Canada. North of 60. Our days have warmed up a lot this week, it's -15c. Such a relief after -35c. A fun spot as that is where c & f cross. It's much more difficult as am without a dog for the 1st time in a long time.
Can do zoom if y'all can tolerate a strange old white guy who didn't have a best man at his wedding, but a dear black friend named Cornelia Leavitt. I do miss all the black friends of my youth but we are getting more and more immigrants way up here. We even have a Jamaican restaurant which is something, as there are only about 5 to start with here. Town of less than 3000. 3 hour drive to next bigger town.
Small towns are my favorite. I lived in Philadelphia most of my life. I'm in NJ now. When I go to Philly I experience culture shock. It's nice to have access to so much there, but it's too crowded for my spirit.
Our community is colour blind so your race doesn't matter at all but the content of your consciousness and your mind and I'd say you will fit right in from the way you've spoken thus far
And like I said earlier, it's still all in the development phases but when/if the zoom meetings start off, I'll update both you and Nana as everyone is welcome as long as one can 'think for themselves' as you say
Sorry about your loss of dog as I'm also a huge dog person and being without one can be a huge loss I know. Wish you all the best in your current and future endeavors
Take care mate 💪🏼✊🏼
Consequences are real.
Yes they are, absolutely. It’s not just a physical destruction it reverberates in the non-physical realms as well.
Aahhhh…….!!
This is a Powerful Article and a must read for Americans especially and every human being on this planet besides... Unfortunately, we know they would never want to read something as Deep as this cuz the cognitive dissonance they will suffer will be such that can split their little heads in two 😅
And speaking of taking responsibility for those who came before us and acknowledging all they went through so they can finally have peace, I've done that for my family (both sides) plus my in-laws to come and my country as well and taking responsibility for the last two were some of the Most Powerful Spiritual Experiences I've ever gone through not will any Being on this Cosmos cuz the blood and evil and darkness I had to wade through was so ginormous, I don't know how the fuck I suffered it at all I tell ya (My Higher Self Shango really came in clutch at times)
So now I'm just chilling and hoping I don't have to fight any more battles again Spiritually for the foreseeable future but I'm always ready in case I do. World of Spirit and Man, give me your best shot any day and time. I'm always ready.
I hear you! Thanks for your comment.
You failed to mention Gaza. It brings me to despair to think the Billions of innocents must roam the world of Hollywood horror shows because there is no God to give them justice and peace.
Have given some thought to ex combat soldier suicide rates. People will do in a Mass Formation things they would not on their own. Is it possible they cannot live with their conscious?
So the evil ones can enjoy the thought that those they victimized will lurk in a haunted house for eternity? Sorry Nana if that was true there would be no peaceful spot anywhere on this globe.
I posted a while back about turning Gaza into a vacation destination. Do people go to Auschwitz to feel light and happy? I do believe in haunting. It seems possible Hollywood could have the details wrong.
"Sorry Nana if that was true there would be no peaceful spot anywhere on this globe." I would wager that there may be some, somewhere where the ravishes of colonialism has not reeled it's ugly head. But we better hurry and find it, because globalism is moving fast into some of the most far away undiscovered lands and their resources, BTW.
Usually my writing can be understood in different ways. If all those who have died in a rough manner were roaming the world haunting us, there would be no spot we humans could relax, is another way.
I live in a very remote place. The aboriginals here wander off when they get too old. No one finds them.
Some of the more scenic places, where they do ceremonies, to my great pleasure , seem absolutely crowded with the spirits of the ancestors. It is a joyous happy vibe, very encouraging. Well my take anyway. Quite something as they have not been spared any ravages here.
Must apologize going through some tragedy and not feeling too sparky of late. I always try to respond to comments, but I'm done here.
The energy fades over time, I believe, and the souls become ready for their reincarnation.
Cultures that emphasise reincarnation prepare their members for the joy of meeting Death (The great Pain-Ender), although the rage of being murdered can easily form the psychic shell that becomes the ghost. I am no expert whatsoever, these are only my own thought due to experiences.
But eventually, even rage, and the desire for revenge, fade over time. And then we/they move on, if we were trapped here by them. Along with the other, more positive emotions, such as concern for those we love.
I don't think you're too far off the mark, Gnuneo. There is a huge importance among certain cultures when it comes to preparing its members for transition into the other realms after they die. My experiences can affirm that if they are not properly prepared it can be very difficult for the Soul and the Spirit to make the transition.
Any form of tragic death can cause the Spirit to be trapped between worlds and the Soul may have difficulty reincarnating. Two movies come to mind, "Ghost" and "What Dreams May Come".
Tragic deaths create dis-embodied spirits. These spirits lurk in dark places, abandoned buildings, graveyards, bars, tunnels, forests, etc. In some cases, buildings have been erected over (mass) graves, like what they want to do in Gaza. Not a good idea. Since the death of the individual was traumatic, their spirit will roam and in some even cause problems for the living like in the movie "Poltergeist".
In the African traditions that I am familiar with, there is a ceremony that takes place for the deceased to prepare their soul for the transition. This keeps the number of dis-embodied spirits down to a minimum. However, war, murder, tragic accidents, etc. often times does not allow for this. Folks' bodies thrown in mass graves, left to decompose, etc. will cause a restlessness in the spirit realms that may be experienced by the living. I CAN SURELY TELL YOU THAT!
That was the subtle message I was attempting to convey in my article.
You stated: "But eventually, even rage, and the desire for revenge, fade over time.'
My experiences have shown me that if they fade, it is because the living have done some spiritual work to help the restless spirit to accept its fate and move on. The living have a huge part to play in this. If it is not done, then the spirit will remain restless for years, even centuries, and the Soul will carry the memory of that tragedy when it re-incarnates.
I speak of atonement often on a global scale. I don't think people realize the disturbances that the ravages of war cause, but I do think the Men Behind the Curtain, who run this world do. I also think that is why they keep the disturbance on the spiritual level going. They know what they are doing.
Not sure what it takes to attain expert status on this topic. Haunting. After the last 5 years it seems that, without fail, we all have lots to learn.
One possibility that struck, maybe it is the perpetrators or their collective predecessors who are assigned to haunt the scene as atonement for their mistakes.
The Bahai tradition insists there is no hell, but different powers according to how you acted in your earthly life. I may have it wrong.
It does seem death or the next assignment, to quote my father, has us busily working at something. I have never been a fan of the devil made me do it excuse or I was just following orders either.
Long story short, there is much to still unravel, I hope for a few more years and more clarity on so many topics.
The "Devil" afaik came from the French version of 'The Evil' (ergo, 'D' evil'), and is usually synonymous with "Satan", for most Xians.
I don't personally believe in a "hell", except in so far as it pertains to our behaviour and interactions in this realm of life. Heaven is being surrounded by loving and supportive people, and being at peace, so 'hell' would be heading in the opposite direction.
As for "Satan", I found this short cartoon extremely informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f14bCXFZIY
That was fun. I always say, if "God" is the creator of everything than that would mean "God" created everything and that would include the so-called "devil" or evil. It's simply polarities which is pretty much what this realm is made of.
The Tao is the middle, the way, the balance, no extremes.
In the Ra Material it speaks of distortions. I prefer that term. A distortion to any extreme is out of balance.
In African traditions that I am aware of, there is no "devil" just one who challenges, questions, tests, tempts, etc.
Whatever the case may be, you can't have one without the other. To know the light you must know the dark, and vice versa. Institutionalized religions tend to be based on fear. Why would you fear a "God" who's without blemish? Ironically, the "God" of the bible was responsible for more deaths than the "devil" ever was. I mean, he wiped out nations, saved a select few and sets of 2 animals, to start a New World Order. LOL
Interesting point about Zoroaster. It answered a question I had about how the earlier Israelites came to monotheism.
This whole one "God" phenomenon seems to be more of a hedge to creating supremacy of one religion over another.
Heaven and Hell are a state of being, a state of mind. Neither are a place you go to after death, in my view.
I have been to Auschwitz. The ghosts are real. I did not expect it at all, but I broke down. The sheer scale of the horror there has left its mark. I went in '91, on a college exchange trip. It might have changed, 30 years later, but I doubt it. A formative experience for me.
I visited the "Door of No Return" at the Castle at Elmina in Ghana, West Africa. Indeed the Ghosts are real! And those ghosts (dis-embodied spirits) are roaming all over Palestine right now. In the religions of Islam, they believe that the "martyrs" will return in even greater numbers to avenge their death.
I often wonder if that is part of the reason that there is so much "unrest" there. No, I don't wonder, I am convinced. There is another movie/documentary called "Sankofa" that gives a depiction of what can happen to those who are sensitive when they visit there.
That's the thing about it, if you are sensitive to spiritual energies, you will feel it more so than those who are not. I am a medium. I have had numerous experiences.
Everyone I know who visited had the same reaction. Felt something similar in Gettysburg, Israel and Dealey Plaza. Other places as well. It does not make you want to replicate or celebrate what happened!
"After a while he says, “Do you believe in ghosts?”
”No,” I say
”Why not?”
”Because they are un-sci-en-ti-fic.”
The way I say this makes John smile. “They contain no matter,” I continue, “and have no energy and therefore, according to the laws of science, do not exist except in people's minds.”
The whiskey, the fatigue and the wind in the trees start mixing in my mind. “Of course,” I add, “the laws of science contain no matter and have no energy either and therefore do not exist except in people's minds. It's best to be completely scientific about the whole thing and refuse to believe in either ghosts or the laws of science. That way you're safe. That doesn't leave you very much to believe in, but that's scientific too.”
”I don't know what you're talking about,” Chris says.
”I'm being kind of facetious.”
Chris gets frustrated when I talk like this, but I don't think it hurts him.
”One of the kids at YMCA camp says he believes in ghosts.”
”He was just spoofing you.”
”No, he wasn't. He said that when people haven't been buried right, their ghosts come back to haunt people. He really believes in that.”
”He was just spoofing you,” I repeat.
”What's his name?” Sylvia says.
”Tom White Bear.”
John and I exchange looks, suddenly recognizing the same thing.
”Ohhh, Indian!” he says.
I laugh. “I guess I'm going to have to take that back a little,” I say. “I was thinking of European ghosts.”
”What's the difference?”
John roars with laughter. “He's got you,” he says.
I think a little and say, “Well, Indians sometimes have a different way of looking at things, which I'm not saying is completely wrong. Science isn't part of the Indian tradition.”
”Tom White Bear said his mother and dad told him not to believe all that stuff. But he said his grandmother whispered it was true anyway, so he believes it.”
He looks at me pleadingly. He really does want to know things sometimes. Being facetious is not being a very good father. “Sure,” I say, reversing myself, “I believe in ghosts too.”
Now John and Sylvia look at me peculiarly. I see I'm not going to get out of this one easily and brace myself for a long explanation.
”It's completely natural,” I say, “to think of Europeans who believed in ghosts or Indians who believed in ghosts as ignorant. The scientific point of view has wiped out every other view to a point where they all seem primitive, so that if a person today talks about ghosts or spirits he is considered ignorant or maybe nutty. It's just all but completely impossible to imagine a world where ghosts can actually exist.”
John nods affirmatively and I continue.
”My own opinion is that the intellect of modern man isn't that superior. IQs aren't that much different. Those Indians and medieval men were just as intelligent as we are, but the context in which they thought was completely different. Within that context of thought, ghosts and spirits are quite as real as atoms, particles, photons and quants are to a modern man. In that sense I believe in ghosts. Modern man has his ghosts and spirits too, you know.”
”What?”
”Oh, the laws of physics and of logic-the number system-the principle of algebraic substitution. These are ghosts. We just believe in them so thoroughly they seem real.
”They seem real to me,” John says.
”I don't get it,” says Chris.
So I go on. “For example, it seems completely natural to presume that gravitation and the law of gravitation existed before Isaac Newton. It would sound nutty to think that until the seventeenth century there was no gravity.”
”Of course.”
”So when did this law start? Has it always existed?”
John is frowning, wondering what I am getting at.
”What I'm driving at,” I say, “is the notion that before the beginning of the earth, before the sun and the stars were formed, before the primal generation of anything, the law of gravity existed.”
”Sure.”
”Sitting there, having no mass of its own, no energy of its own, not in anyone's mind because there wasn't anyone, not in space because there was no space either, not anywhere - this law of gravity still existed?”
Now John seems not so sure.
”If that law of gravity existed,” I say, “I honestly don't know what a thing has to do to be nonexistent. It seems to me that law of gravity has passed every test of nonexistence there is. You cannot think of a single attribute of nonexistence that that law of gravity didn't have. Or a single scientific attribute of existence it did have. And yet it is still 'common sense' to believe that it existed.”
John says, “I guess I'd have to think about it.”
”Well, I predict that if you think about it long enough you will find yourself going round and round and round and round until you finally reach only one possible, rational, intelligent conclusion. The law of gravity and gravity itself did not exist before Isaac Newton. No other conclusion makes sense.
”And what that means,” I say before he can interrupt, “and what that means is that that law of gravity exists nowhere except in people's heads! It's a ghost! We are all of us very arrogant and conceited about running down other people's ghosts but just as ignorant and barbaric and superstitious about our own.”
”Why does everybody believe in the law of gravity then?”
”Mass hypnosis. In a very orthodox form known as "education.”
”You mean the teacher is hypnotizing the kids into believing the law of gravity?”
”Sure.”
”That's absurd.”
”You've heard of the importance of eye contact in the classroom? Every educationist emphasizes it. No educationist explains it.”
John shakes his head and pours me another drink. He puts his hand over his mouth and in a mock aside says to Sylvia, “You know, most of the time he seems like such a normal guy.”
I counter, “That's the first normal thing I've said in weeks. The rest of the time I'm feigning twentieth century lunacy just like you are. So as not to draw attention to myself.
”But I'll repeat it for you,” I say. “We believe the disembodied words of Sir Isaac Newton were sitting in the middle of nowhere billions of years before he was born and that magically he discovered these words. They were always there, even when they applied to nothing. Gradually the world came into being and then they applied to it. In fact, those words themselves were what formed the world. That, John, is ridiculous.
”The problem, the contradiction the scientists are stuck with, is that of mind. Mind has no matter or energy but they can't escape its predominance over everything they do. Logic exists in the mind. Numbers exist only in the mind. I don't get upset when scientists say that ghosts exist in the mind. It's that only that gets me. Science is only in your mind too, it's just that that doesn't make it bad. Or ghosts either.”
They are just looking at me so I continue: “Laws of nature are human inventions, like ghosts. Laws of logic, of mathematics are also human inventions, like ghosts. The whole blessed thing is a human invention, including the idea that it isn't a human invention. The world has no existence whatsoever outside the human imagination. It's all a ghost, and in antiquity was so recognized as a ghost, the whole blessed world we live in. It's run by ghosts. We see what we see because these ghosts show it to us, ghosts of Moses and Christ and the Buddha, and Plato, and Descartes, and Rousseau and Jefferson and Lincoln, on and on and on. Isaac Newton is a very good ghost. One of the best. Your common sense is nothing more than the voices of thousands and thousands of these ghosts from the past. Ghosts and more ghosts. Ghosts trying to find their place among the living.”
John looks too much in thought to speak. But Sylvia is excited. “Where do you get all these ideas?” she asks.
I am about to answer them but then do not. I have a feeling of having already pushed it to the limit, maybe beyond, and it is time to drop it.
After a while John says, “It'll be good to see the mountains again.”
”Yes, it will,” I agree. “one last drink to that!”
We finish it and are off to our rooms."
From 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance', by the peerless Robert Pirsig.
Wow, just Wow!! I love this!
I reminds me of that infamous scene from "My Dinner With André"
Life is but a dream.
But who is the Dreamer???
Pirsig only write two books, Zamm, the origin of the quote above, and Lila, the follow-up.
Zamm is a perfect book, no mistakes in it. Lila... has one severe flaw. But both are excellent and worth reading anyway.
Who is the Dreamer indeed. Or perhaps "Who ARE the Dreamers?" - I suspect even we 'individuals' are multiple consciousnesses, let alone moving up the scale.
Ahh, yes, Who Are the Dreamers?? I do concur!!!